Episode 33

Stop Losing Rights, Own Your IP: Music RWAs, AI, x402 on Base | Jason Colapietro

Published 2026-05-15 · 2:27:14

Topics: Music IP as a real-world asset, Music royalties and the Vault, Rights registry and provenance, Token launches and tokenomics, AI and the music industry

Guest appearance, hosted by matthewjmalek. All appearances.

Episode show notes

Jason Colapietro (founder, Suede Labs) sits down with @matthewjmalek to talk about why the music industry's IP layer is structurally broken — and how an artist-owned, on-chain stack actually pays the people doing the work.

We get into:

  • Why songwriters and producers lose rights & revenue at every layer of the stack
  • Music IP as a real-world asset (RWA): tokenizing rights so creators own and earn from their catalog
  • Suede Labs' tooling — built so musicians keep ownership and get paid for what they make
  • How x402 + the Model-Pay-Per-Call (MPP) primitive change who gets paid every time AI uses someone's work
  • AI as a creator-side tool, not a replacement — agents that work for artists, not around them
  • Why Base is the right home for the music stack
  • The Vault: DeFi for music royalties — liquidity now, royalty yield for supporters
  • Building on Arena, prediction markets, and what crypto-native distribution unlocks for independent creators

🔗 Suede Labs → https://suedeai.ai
🐦 Johnny Suede → https://x.com/johnnysuede
🎙️ Hosted by → https://x.com/matthewjmalek

Episode chapters

Chapter markers from the show notes. Each time opens the recording at that point on YouTube.

  1. 0:00 Cold open — LA stories, sleep schedules
  2. 5:00 Crypto origin — $3k cost-basis Bitcoin, the fiancée intervention
  3. 15:00 Rove on Solana, $2M raise, FTX collapsing 7 days before Clerks 3
  4. 23:00 CZ vs Hyperliquid, Binance Labs funding DEXs
  5. 26:00 The Suede Labs pitch — the ownership problem (DVD vs Netflix)
  6. 30:00 Vatican, Vermeer & how an art-history obsession led to building Suede
  7. 35:00 Why blockchain belongs in music — "I mailed cassette tapes to myself"
  8. 36:00 AI music as the biggest shield AND biggest earning potential for artists
  9. 40:00 Multi-chain swap, LayerZero, 40+ chains
  10. 43:00 Avalanche, Build Games denial story
  11. 46:00 App Store war — Rove was the first blockchain app approved (+ the burn-address gaffe)
  12. 50:00 Live tour: Suede AI's "Create with rights" feature
  13. 55:00 The on-chain registry — court-enforceable proof of authorship
  14. 58:00 Why every celebrity-token cycle ends the same way (Iggy, Soldier Boy, Derulo)
  15. 59:00 The launchpad fix: tax tokens that pay artists in SOL/USDC, not their own token
  16. 1:02:00 Suede Social — gear forums reborn with shareable rig DNA
  17. 1:05:00 "Programmable artistic matter" — beyond music to all IP
  18. 1:08:00 Cognitive Architecture test — the founder profile (Conductor / Future Scribe / Hunter)
  19. 1:55:00 Suede Studio: 197 pedals, polyphonic tuner, Dr. Johnny
  20. 2:00:00 DSP libraries, neural amp modeler, app-store live
  21. 2:15:00 THE VAULT — DeFi for music royalties (the killer feature)
  22. 2:18:00 Wrap-up + community duck race

#MusicRWA #SuedeLabs #x402 #Base #ArtistRights #MusicIP #CreatorEconomy #OnChainMusic

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